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Personally, I would probably go with B. It's guaranteed funding versus potential funding. However, is the tuition the same between the two? That's going to also make a big difference. If school B is $10k but the tuition is $50k per year, while A is potential $15k and tuition is $30k a year, then A would still be the better financial decision, regardless of funding. 

I would email the PI and state your interest in connecting with your new lab mates and see if she can facilitate it by giving you some emails. 

I would email the PI and state your interest in connecting with your new lab mates and see if she can facilitate it by giving you some emails. 

I would email the PI and state your interest in connecting with your new lab mates and see if she can facilitate it by giving you some emails. 

I would email the PI and state your interest in connecting with your new lab mates and see if she can facilitate it by giving you some emails. 

Between those 2, go with Wake Forest hands down. They have a good track record of getting students into fully funded PhDs. The main thing I've ever heard about MAPSS is that it's a big cash cow that brings tons of money to the department. A psychology MA is not worth the cost of that tuition. 

I know several people who graduated from there who do fabulous work on an institutional level as well as in a clinical capacity. That said, I know just as many who do similar work with an MSW from Rutgers for a fraction of the cost. MSWs really don't make a ton of money, and I'm personally not convinced that school recognition warrants a loan balance that is not commensurate with expected earnings. While people don't typically get into the field to make money, one should still expect to be able to live with some means of financial security post-grad. 

School: Rutgers University GSAPP
Type: Clinical PsyD
Track: General
Acceptance/Waitlist/Rejection: Accepted off the waitlist
Type of Notification: Email from program director followed by official letter
Date Notified: 4/9/21
DM for POI: Yes

They may have just had the information incorrect? My program went through this process, and my advisor had a large role in preparing and submitting all of the documentation for initial on contingency accreditation and full accreditation, so I got to see some of the information and process (it's a lot lol), so it may just be something they misunderstood. There was a lot to know. 

Nav.psych is correct. It's unlikely there will be significant waitlist movement until after the April 15th deadline. People who are still holding offers are waiting and hoping for their top choice. Those people will then start releasing offers after the 11th hour, which will then cause some movement on waitlists. I think it's more common for people to get off the waitlist after the April 15th deadline than before. 

Nav.psych is correct. It's unlikely there will be significant waitlist movement until after the April 15th deadline. People who are still holding offers are waiting and hoping for their top choice. Those people will then start releasing offers after the 11th hour, which will then cause some movement on waitlists. I think it's more common for people to get off the waitlist after the April 15th deadline than before. 

Definitely La Salle. Adler's cohort is about twice the size (58 at Adler vs 22 at La Salle). The APA-accredited internship match rate is better at La Salle than Adler (96% vs 86% which is really a much bigger difference since more students applying at Adler). EPPP pass rates are also better (89% vs 66%). Overall, La Salle has a better reputation in the field as well. Tuition also seems to be cheaper (although the debt burden of both isn't really something to sneeze at).   

Nav.psych is correct. It's unlikely there will be significant waitlist movement until after the April 15th deadline. People who are still holding offers are waiting and hoping for their top choice. Those people will then start releasing offers after the 11th hour, which will then cause some movement on waitlists. I think it's more common for people to get off the waitlist after the April 15th deadline than before. 

Nav.psych is correct. It's unlikely there will be significant waitlist movement until after the April 15th deadline. People who are still holding offers are waiting and hoping for their top choice. Those people will then start releasing offers after the 11th hour, which will then cause some movement on waitlists. I think it's more common for people to get off the waitlist after the April 15th deadline than before. 

Nav.psych is correct. It's unlikely there will be significant waitlist movement until after the April 15th deadline. People who are still holding offers are waiting and hoping for their top choice. Those people will then start releasing offers after the 11th hour, which will then cause some movement on waitlists. I think it's more common for people to get off the waitlist after the April 15th deadline than before. 

Between those 2, I would go with Yeshiva. If you look at the outcomes data, it's a safer bet. Much smaller cohort sizes (William James had 103 incoming students last year compared to 20 in Yeshiva's combined program) and even with a captive APA-accredited internship (which is half time for 2 years, and also not great), William James still doesn't have a 100% APA-accredited internship match rate, and it looks like the match rates hovered at or below 50% prior to the start of the captive internship, meaning the bulk of these students were not nationally competitive for internship. Yeshiva reports a 100% APA-accredited match rate for students who applied to accredited sites last year, with a cumulative 72.2% matching to accredited sites of all students when factoring in those who did not go the APA-accredited match route (which makes sense if a portion of the students were interested in pursuing school psychology only, as that doesn't require an APA-accredited internship). Although, it is a little odd that the outcomes data for Yeshiva'a combined PsyD is not easily accessible on the website, since that is a requirement for APA accreditation. I eventually found it on the APA directory. 

I'm not sure what licensure laws were like whenever that person got licensed, so I can't speak to that. However, nowadays, people can practice as a clinician with a master's level license in counseling, marriage and family therapy, or social work, but they cannot be licensed as psychologists. Some states have grandfathered in master's level psychologists (like Pennsylvania), but only those who got licensed prior to a certain date are eligible for that. Other states, like Texas, have licensed psychological associates, but they often have less practical freedom than licensed counselors. 
Psychology licensure is specifically for those graduating from a clinical psychology, counseling psychology, or school psychology (in some states) PhD or PsyD (some states EdD is acceptable as well). A PhD in Educational Psychology does not lead to licensure because it is not a clinical degree. It's a purely academic degree, just like a PhD in sociology or anthropology or any other social science. Clinical degrees require several years of supervised clinical practice, followed by a full year off-site clinical internship prior to graduation and postdoctoral clinical training hours in most states prior to licensure eligibility, along with passing a national licensing exam. That is not built into an Educational Psychology curriculum. 

I'm not sure what licensure laws were like whenever that person got licensed, so I can't speak to that. However, nowadays, people can practice as a clinician with a master's level license in counseling, marriage and family therapy, or social work, but they cannot be licensed as psychologists. Some states have grandfathered in master's level psychologists (like Pennsylvania), but only those who got licensed prior to a certain date are eligible for that. Other states, like Texas, have licensed psychological associates, but they often have less practical freedom than licensed counselors. 
Psychology licensure is specifically for those graduating from a clinical psychology, counseling psychology, or school psychology (in some states) PhD or PsyD (some states EdD is acceptable as well). A PhD in Educational Psychology does not lead to licensure because it is not a clinical degree. It's a purely academic degree, just like a PhD in sociology or anthropology or any other social science. Clinical degrees require several years of supervised clinical practice, followed by a full year off-site clinical internship prior to graduation and postdoctoral clinical training hours in most states prior to licensure eligibility, along with passing a national licensing exam. That is not built into an Educational Psychology curriculum. 

FYI, programs are required to post their student admissions outcome data as part of maintaining APA-accreditation, so this data is publicly available on their websites. 
The following numbers are all for 2019, except for EPPP pass rates, as the latest data is for 2017 for some reason. 
Kean: incoming class size: 12, APA-accredited internship match rate: 80% (1 person went for a non-APA-accredited internship), EPPP pass rate: 100%, and cost: $24,674 per year out of state, $20,178 per year in state
LIU Post: incoming class size: 22, APA-accredited internship match rate: 100%, EPPP pass rate: 83.87%, and cost: $52,964 per year (yikes!)
St. John's, you didn't specify Clinical PhD or School PsyD, so here are both.
PhD: incoming class size: 10, APA-accredited internship match rate: 100%, EPPP pass rate: 90%, and cost: $45,600 per year, but it appears all students get assistantship with full tuition waiver. 
School PsyD: incoming class: 17, APA-accredited internship match rate: 9% (very worrisome. School psychology does not require an APA-accredited internship, but these numbers are still very surprisingly low especially compared to EPPP pass rates, since that means these students were interested in pursuing clinical licensure as school psychology does not require it), EPPP pass rate: 85.19%, and cost: $33,480 per year
If the St. John's offer was for the PhD, I would rank St. John's first and a toss up between Kean and LIU based on research fit. The match rate at LIU is better, but it is twice as expensive. The Kean EPPP pass rate is 100%, which makes me think that the 1 person who didn't go the APA-accredited internship route was not interested in clinical licensure at all. 
If St. John's is the PsyD, I would rank that program last. 

FYI, programs are required to post their student admissions outcome data as part of maintaining APA-accreditation, so this data is publicly available on their websites. 
The following numbers are all for 2019, except for EPPP pass rates, as the latest data is for 2017 for some reason. 
Kean: incoming class size: 12, APA-accredited internship match rate: 80% (1 person went for a non-APA-accredited internship), EPPP pass rate: 100%, and cost: $24,674 per year out of state, $20,178 per year in state
LIU Post: incoming class size: 22, APA-accredited internship match rate: 100%, EPPP pass rate: 83.87%, and cost: $52,964 per year (yikes!)
St. John's, you didn't specify Clinical PhD or School PsyD, so here are both.
PhD: incoming class size: 10, APA-accredited internship match rate: 100%, EPPP pass rate: 90%, and cost: $45,600 per year, but it appears all students get assistantship with full tuition waiver. 
School PsyD: incoming class: 17, APA-accredited internship match rate: 9% (very worrisome. School psychology does not require an APA-accredited internship, but these numbers are still very surprisingly low especially compared to EPPP pass rates, since that means these students were interested in pursuing clinical licensure as school psychology does not require it), EPPP pass rate: 85.19%, and cost: $33,480 per year
If the St. John's offer was for the PhD, I would rank St. John's first and a toss up between Kean and LIU based on research fit. The match rate at LIU is better, but it is twice as expensive. The Kean EPPP pass rate is 100%, which makes me think that the 1 person who didn't go the APA-accredited internship route was not interested in clinical licensure at all. 
If St. John's is the PsyD, I would rank that program last. 

Between those 2, I would go with Yeshiva. If you look at the outcomes data, it's a safer bet. Much smaller cohort sizes (William James had 103 incoming students last year compared to 20 in Yeshiva's combined program) and even with a captive APA-accredited internship (which is half time for 2 years, and also not great), William James still doesn't have a 100% APA-accredited internship match rate, and it looks like the match rates hovered at or below 50% prior to the start of the captive internship, meaning the bulk of these students were not nationally competitive for internship. Yeshiva reports a 100% APA-accredited match rate for students who applied to accredited sites last year, with a cumulative 72.2% matching to accredited sites of all students when factoring in those who did not go the APA-accredited match route (which makes sense if a portion of the students were interested in pursuing school psychology only, as that doesn't require an APA-accredited internship). Although, it is a little odd that the outcomes data for Yeshiva'a combined PsyD is not easily accessible on the website, since that is a requirement for APA accreditation. I eventually found it on the APA directory. 

It really doesn't make a difference. What they keep on file is your official transcript. The important thing is you were awarded the degree prior to the start of your program if that was a requirement. 

Usually they have large cohorts, low APA-accredited internship match stats, low EPPP pass rates, and high tuition. I think tuition is a very big thing to look at, as some PsyDs cost more than $100K+ over the course of the program, and this level of debt is just not commensurate to what psychologists make. There are also some PsyDs that aren't necessarily predatory and will provide a good education, but they will put you so far into debt that the return on investment just isn't there. Keep in mind that full funding in Clinical Psychology is the norm and not the exception. For instance, in my university-based PsyD, past everyone gets some sort of funding, whether it is an RAship, adjunct teaching, or a graduate assistantship in an administrative role (like the psych department or elsewhere on campus). Pretty much everyone gets at least half funding, if not full funding in tuition remission and pay/stipend. 
Also, it isn't common for PsyDs or PhDs to be interviewing soon, so I would be wary just based off that-are they trying to grab people desperate to get in anywhere as the application season is ending?
If you want more specific feedback, feel free to PM me if you don’t want to share the name of the school on here. 

Search committees are made up of people in the field, so it's highly likely that they are aware of its reputation. Also, the stats seem to support that if they place alumni quicker. Research fit is important in a PhD. It sounds like you put a lot of thought into your decision prior to making it, but are getting last minute nerves. Trust in yourself and the decisions you've made. Northwestern is also a great school. 

People can still get off waitlists after April 15th since schools are getting final answers from 1st round offers at that time. Someone who is holding an offer but on a waitlist for their top choice may be holding that offer until the deadline.