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    SocDevMum reacted to Clinapp2017 in Single-Courses to Psy.D.? + Where or how can I find supervising professionals for 3,000 intern hours for clinical licensure?   
    Yep... just don't even go there with this program. Getting your doctoral training will just put you in a world of hurt/constantly playing catch up if you don't get it from an accredited university.
     
    As stated by @PsyDuck90, the supervised hours are the hours you get on full intern year, plus 1 or more post-doc years. Most APPIC internships won't even consider non-accredited program students, and several job positions (e.g., VA and many AMCs) expressly prohibit hiring students training in unaccredited programs.  
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    SocDevMum reacted to PsyDuck90 in Single-Courses to Psy.D.? + Where or how can I find supervising professionals for 3,000 intern hours for clinical licensure?   
    While California doesn't 100% require completing an APA-accredited doctoral program for licensure, it will make the licensing process infinitely easier because you have to prove the program meets those standards. Doctoral programs are full-time because all of the course work and clinical practicums take up the time of a full time job (arguably more so). Also, you cannot get an APA-accredited internship if you do not go to an APA-accredited program, nor can you even apply to non-accredited internships on APPIC, which is the application process for all formal internship programs. You would be left on your own to piece together an internship. 
    The cheapest route to becoming a licensed clinical psychologist is to make yourself a competitive applicant for all the funded PsyD and PhD programs out there (funding is the norm, not the exception). 
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    SocDevMum reacted to SoundofSilence in APA Accreditation at prestigious universities   
    What PsyDuck90 said is true, however, don't think that just because other programs are APA accredited that means they are less-research focused or don't include neuroscience or computational methods in their research. Because of various ideological perspectives, some programs prefer more of a clinical-science identification and that's why PCSAS was founded. Harvard for example, initially only had PCSAS accreditation, but they did get APA accreditation, because the APA one is very important for future practicing clinical psychologists (and so it was probably important for their students as well, to not limit their future opportunities).
    Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that many older APA accredited programs may be more research-heavy, so don't discount them if that's what you are looking for. As things stand right now, and if you know you definitely want to practice as a clinical psychologist in the future, make sure your program is APA accredited at a minimum.
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    SocDevMum reacted to PsyDuck90 in Super Noob Here (please help me)   
    If you're interested in straight therapy, you don't really need a PhD. I would look into master's level programs that lead to licensure as either an LPC, LCSW (MSW degree), or MFT depending on the state. Licensure laws vary from state to state, especially for master's level clinicians, so it is best to get trained in the state you are most interested in practicing. An MSW tends to be a more portable degree than an LPC/MFT, and MSWs can bill Medicare, while LPCs cannot. This makes getting a job in a hospital system much easier with an MSW than an LPC. 
    CACREP is becoming more important in more states. However, there are also some great master's programs housed in psychology departments that don't be the requirements for CACREP accreditation because they have clinical or counseling psychologists on staff (CACREP requires that all faculty have a PhD in Counselor Education). 
    Check with the licensure laws in the state(s) you are most interested in living/practicing. Typically, your best bet is state schools. They tend to provide solid training and are often far cheaper than private universities. 
    Most license-eligible programs won't have much in the way of research opportunities (although some do), so they aren't always the best route for a PhD in Clinical or Counseling Psychology. You can always pursue a PhD in Counselor Education or Social Work, but those are purely research/academic degrees, as the licensure in those disciplines is at the master's level. 
    It's not impossible to transition, but it will typically take more work on your part to ensure you get the research experiences necessary to be competitive to PhD programs following the master's. 
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    SocDevMum reacted to ILuvPsych2013 in Research Experience.. What exactly are they looking for?   
    At my university, "research experience" means working in a lab (either volunteering, for credit, or possibly for pay) and assisting with projects. The faculty mentor will generally decide how much involvement they are comfortable with you having. For example, when I began working in a lab my junior year or college, I primarily did data entry and screening phone calls (for community participants). Now over the summer and during my senior year I will be running participants for another study. So the term is very broad.

    If you want to make yourself an even better applicant, consider doing an independent project or senior thesis. You will need the help of a faculty member (perhaps if you have already done some work for them in their lab, they will be willing to guide you). An independent project shows ad comms a few things: 1) You can see a project through from beginning to end, 2) You have experienced all aspects and phases of a project, 3) You have research interests and are willing to pursue answers to specific questions.

    The overall message here is get involved in research. Of course research classes are a plus and will make you look stronger on paper. But really you just need to get into a lab and become a sponge...Take in everything, do whatever they need you to do (data entry, calls, etc.) and earn their trust. This should also provide you some great letter writers when all is said and done.

    Hope this helps!
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    SocDevMum reacted to babyyoda in Multiple Gap Years   
    I took 3 years off between undergrad and grad school. Best decision I ever made. In addition to what others have said about developing skills and network etc., I was also really happy because I worked in a fun city, spent time with friends/family and traveled! I am now 24 headed into a program this fall and I am pleased with my decision!
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    SocDevMum reacted to PsyDuck90 in How to earn credits of required courses if I want to be admitted to a master program in psychology without a relevant bachelor degree   
    You can take them at a community college (not sure if they are a thing where you are), but in the US those credits tend to be pretty cheap. Also, look up the specific master's programs you are interested in and make sure what courses you actually need for those programs. 
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    SocDevMum reacted to Psyche007 in Personal Statement Tips   
    Can you summarize your research experience into a one or two principles you're observed, learned from, and applied elsewhere? It's a great opportunity to show how you can summarize data into useful and generalizable information.
    They're going to read your resume, which I imagine will include all the minutiae of your experiences, so I'd avoid repeating anything in your statement that reviewers can find elsewhere. The statement is an opportunity to say something that you can't say elsewhere, something that makes them want to meet you.
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    SocDevMum reacted to Plzletmein in "What are my chances?" 2022   
    Yeup you can!! I had a 3.4 CGPA also as a Canadian undergrad honours student and I got into a clinical program. I got a summer research grant to extend my honours thesis and then am working on 2 manuscripts from that for pub (first-author). I also didn't get into counselling programs - but probably cause I have all research and very little practical experience). Also to note, even with my 3.4 GPA I got in on one of the most competitive years with double the normal applications. So it is all possible!!! I wish you luck! 
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from JoePianist in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    Management, hiring/recruiting, marketing, productivity. Also, areas like diversity and discrimination, training...anything related to making a business run successfully, essentially. A thorough I/O PhD training prepares people for a variety of roles. For instance, there are I/O candidates in my current lab. They have taken internships or positions in many different areas.  Some have moved into the tech sector, and do User Experience research and development. Some go to work at universities or non-profits working on diversity initiatives. Others have gone to work in private industry, helping to develop tools and techniques that help businesses make more money. 
    I/O is not for someone who wants to do any kind of clinical work. If you want to do counseling with clients or patients, if you want to work with kids or teens, if you want to do diagnostic testing, those kinds of things, than you need to go the Clinical Route.  I/O is very different from what most people think of when they talk about psychology.
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    Is this Canada? I have no idea what the legal requirements are for Canada since I am in the U.S., however, I'm sure there are different kinds of counselors there as there are here.  Here in the U.S., only someone with a Masters degree and a license can call themselves a counselor or therapist, but there is a certificate for an addiction rehabilitation specialist that you can get without a Masters to work strictly with adults in drug and alcohol rehabilitation (in most states). Besides mental health, in the U.S. (and probably Canada) there are also School Counselors, however this also requires a Masters degree and an Education certificate. I would suggest looking into the legal requirements for each of those positions in Canada - I have found that employers often indicate the lowest possible qualifications in their job ads but really only hire people with a higher level of education, those ads are very misleading.
    Also, when these ads say counselor, they may very likely mean something more like case worker, they aren't actually therapists or mental health care workers at all. You may want to look up these jobs and see what they actually do.
     
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    Management, hiring/recruiting, marketing, productivity. Also, areas like diversity and discrimination, training...anything related to making a business run successfully, essentially. A thorough I/O PhD training prepares people for a variety of roles. For instance, there are I/O candidates in my current lab. They have taken internships or positions in many different areas.  Some have moved into the tech sector, and do User Experience research and development. Some go to work at universities or non-profits working on diversity initiatives. Others have gone to work in private industry, helping to develop tools and techniques that help businesses make more money. 
    I/O is not for someone who wants to do any kind of clinical work. If you want to do counseling with clients or patients, if you want to work with kids or teens, if you want to do diagnostic testing, those kinds of things, than you need to go the Clinical Route.  I/O is very different from what most people think of when they talk about psychology.
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    SocDevMum reacted to Clinapp2017 in Am I qualified to apply to a Clinical Psychology Program (Masters and/or PhD)   
    For PHD programs you will want to get some research experience with results in tangible products (e.g., first-author presentations at national/international conferences; even better would be authorship or even first-authorship on a publication in a good peer-reviewed journal). Ideally this research should be related to the research you want to pursue in your PhD. 
     
    Some master's programs (maybe 2 year ones?) will provide you with some opportunities to get that research experience but at a potentially large cost. Getting a job as a research assistant or clinical research coordinator in a lab that studies something you are interested and working in it in 2+ years may be the most logical way to get that research experience with the products you need for PhD programs. Even getting a master's degree without the research products won't make you very competitive in itself. There are some 1 year master's programs in psychology that may position you better for these RA jobs, as I feel like usually these research jobs take applicants who got very hands-on experiences in research during college (i.e., not just doing papers for classes, but actually working in labs and gaining very specific skills that are used in research). 
     
    Also, I am not sure exactly why you have the focus is on Ivy leagues, specifically. There are some excellent masters and clinical PhD psych programs (arguably better than the Ivies) out there that you may want to consider. Ultimately, having a good fit with your PhD mentor (assuming you go that route) will be infinitely more important to your happiness and productivity than the name of the institution. 
     
    I hope this helps. Feel free to DM me or reply with any questions! 
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from Hashbury in From Bachelor's in Engineering, to Master's in Counselling Psychology?   
    You are not the first one to make this leap, there is a gentleman (also an international student here to the U.S.) in one of my research labs whose BA is engineering but has made the transition to psych.  So it is totally possible!
    You will most likely have to take some courses in addition to the Psych GRE, at least for U.S. schools. Almost all universities require a handful of core psych courses AND the psych GRE for non-psych degree holders. These are the same courses one would have taken if you minored in psychology, generally speaking, to prove that you have a solid foundation of learning from which they can work. I would imagine that any of these courses would be available from a local college, or even online in many places, so that is something to think about.
    In the U.S., you could get apply to a Masters that allows you to become a licensed counselor, which is a very entry level position, but also a bit easier program to get into, as there is little to no research element required.  If you want a Masters that could lead to a doctoral program for instance, where you could potentially run a private practice or go to work in a residential setting after graduating, you are going to need to apply to schools that do research AND clinical work. Those programs are going to want to see a year or two of research experience before you apply. A forensic program is absolutely going to want you to have significant research experience. You mentioned working and volunteering in the field, which may make you more attractive to some programs than others, but will not make up for a lack of research in total. 
    Most importantly, you are going to have to find a mentor and program that has a very strong connection to the kind of work you want to do in the long run, and you are going to have to articulate in your personal statements how your experiences and education have prepared you for this kind of study. I would highly suggest doing lots of reading of current literature to see who is doing the kind of work you want to do, and then emailing those professors to open lines of communication. You are going to need all the connections you can get to make the leap from one field to another.  Academia is absolutely as much about who you know as what, which is brutally unfair and yet still very true.
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    SocDevMum reacted to bubble_psych in Applying to clinical psych while helping care for a sick parent (need advice)   
    First off, I'm so sorry to hear what you and your family have been going though. After reading what you've posted though, it might just be best to take an additional year before applying again. You're going through a lot, and rushing yourself to try to meet deadlines when you are exhausted might not be the way to go. Taking an extra year before applying can help space out your goals/milestones for applying, which will make the process less overwhelming.
    Not to mention, when you actually are in the PhD program, things get increasingly difficult and one of the reasons why people drop out is due to unexpected family issues/concerns.
    As for juggling everything, and trying not to feel overwhelmed, def suggest using the pomodoro method (google it!) when working on assignments, and using mindfulness meditations.
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    SocDevMum reacted to LindsayBolton56 in Looking for Friends to go Through the Application Cycle Together   
    Hello to everyone, but a special hello to those applying to Clinical Psychology PhDs and PsyDs in this upcoming cycle (to start in fall 2022). This process is so stressful, so I thought it would be super beneficial to form a group of people all going through it together! 
    If you're interested, comment on this post and we can connect. I hope to talk to some of you soon! :) 
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    No, I apologize for any confusion - consulting is an I/O psych career, not counseling. You would need an I/O degree to apply for those kinds of positions. A counseling degree would not be a fit for any of that.  Counseling would allow you to work in private practice or mental health centers (maybe hospitals?) as a therapist.  They are two very different and separate programs
    As for Canada, I cannot speak to the legal requirements there, but I'm sure someone else can, or the information may be available online
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    SocDevMum reacted to PsyDuck90 in Multiple Gap Years   
    Many research coordinator positions are 2 year contracts. This also gives you time to get posters/pubs out, which, as you said, will help significantly in your application. 
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    SocDevMum reacted to Clinapp2017 in Multiple Gap Years   
    Agreed with @PsyDuck90. I think 2+ years is fine, and increasingly more common. As someone who actually came straight from undergrad to my PhD program, if I could do it over I would have taken at least 2 years to work as an RA or CRC. It is all fine for me now, but I think gaining more exposure to the ins and outs of research that you rarely can receive as an undergraduate research essential would have made my transition smoother to developing my own independent research interests. This is really critical in setting you apart from the pack since a lot of people can easily be "clones" of their research mentor, which creates a whole host of problems when applying for your own grants or jobs in the future. 
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    If you have the required education and can demonstrate your effectiveness, I don't see why not. Companies care about what will make them the most money. If that's you, then that's you. 
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    I am in the U.S. so I don't know what the rules are in the UK or EU. Here, a clinical psych with a PhD or PsyD can do testing and diagnosis, but a Masters level psychology degree cannot. 
    Also, I/O is often HR type jobs, but also consulting work, anything that interacts in the business world to maximize productivity, essentially. If you want to work in a clinical type setting, an I/O degree would be a waste of time, IMO
    An MSW here in the US allows you to work as a social worker/case worker for the state, in a hospital or a private practice. MSW also often work in nursing homes, hospitals, mental health facilities, directly with clients, once you have attained your license. LCSW (licensed masters level clinicians) provide therapy and in many states testing or diagnoses, so very similar to a clinical psychologist but with only 2-3 years of grad work instead of 5-7. Many people with an undergrad degree in psych make the leap to social work, it is very common here.
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    If you don't want to be in a clinic, and you don't want to teach and do research, may I suggest Industrial-Organizational (I/O) programs? A Masters in I/O psych or Organizational Behavior is a highly desirable degree in the business and consulting worlds, and among the best paid of the psych careers at the Masters level. 
    Alternatively, within the clinical world but without the diagnostic capabilities of a Clinical PhD, a Masters in counseling could lead to a license to be a therapist or rehabilitation specialist; an MFT is for Marriage and Family therapy; or an MSW (social work) is psych adjacent and could lead to professionally licensed positions, including the LCSW which does have some testing and diagnostic capabilities. 
    As PsyDuck9 said, if you could elaborate on what you do want to do, it would help narrow down the options
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    SocDevMum got a reaction from doa in Career options except being a clinical psychologist   
    Coaching would certainly be an option, but what I meant was consulting with business owners or managers to make changes, design trainings or policies, conduct trainings maybe, to help the company increase productivity and profits. Designing a more productive office atmosphere, for instance, designing and conducting cultural competency trainings for employees, or training front end workers on things like selling skills, service skills... things like that
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    SocDevMum reacted to sanna927 in Ways to build community in your psychology research lab?   
    Hi everyone, my lab is trying to find ways to build community in our research lab. We are a small team and may be sticking to a part-time WFM schedule now that things seem to be re-opening again. With that, (and due to covid), we've been having trouble coming up with ways to build community, besides meeting once a month for lunch or a picnic outside. Any advice or suggestions on how you do it in your own lab would be well appreciated! Thank you!
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    SocDevMum reacted to PsyDuck90 in Fall 2022 PsyD Programs   
    Most of the university-based PsyDs with funding and small cohorts also care about research experience, so I would definitely get involved in research if you can. While a PsyD doesn't necessarily do as much research as a PhD, it's important to have a solid understanding of the research process and be a good consumer in order to be able to be a good clinician and deliver evidence-based treatments. 
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