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2 hours ago, Musicalowl said:
I am back with another question and could use some advice. When I interviewed at EMU, it truly felt 'right.'
Now that I am also waitlisted at Drexel, I am trying to decide whether there is a decision to make if I get off the waitlist or if I should just choose EMU. I have considered all of the factors you have all listed. Everything, for me, falls in favor of EMU with the exception of prestige and externships.
Drexel is ranked higher and is more selective of students and much tougher to get in and has a better rep in that regards. Also the location so close to CHOPP and Dupont is a huge asset in externships and practicum. However I didn't get a good feeling at the interview and just felt underwhelmed.
I am really struggling. I feel like I am choosing between happiness for 5 years over happiness/success after graduation. If that is true, Drexel should be my first choice if I get off the waitlist but everyone talks about 'fit' and in regards to fit I KNOW it is EMU.
I would love anyone's insight on this or information if others faced a similar choice and how they got through it.
Go to EMU. You clearly made your decision, maybe you just need to feel like it is a valid choice and it IS! ?
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48 minutes ago, throwaway92 said:
Is there any possibility of someone being blacklisted from programs because of a history (i.e., 8 years ago) of a mental health struggle, even if nothing about this was disclosed on the application or during the interview? Wondering whether a psych hospitalization would show up on a background check and dissuade a program from extending admission after an interview.
For context, I have been very stable since then, graduated from college with a good (>3.5) GPA, have good GRE scores, have 3+ years of clinical research experience with excellent LORs, no trouble getting interviews to clinical programs (this is not my first round). EDIT: I just wanted to add that I have 3 publications in print and 2 in press, along with a number of poster presentations at local and national conferences.
However, none of the interviews, even the ones I felt went super well, have materialized into an offer, and in most cases I have been flat out rejected following the interview with no explanation.
Wondering if I'm just searching for an excuse in my disappointment, or whether I should be worried that my previous struggles are going to make it impossible for me to get in anywhere...
Honestly, and this is just my opinion, if you were interviewed then that is indication that the program doesn’t care about your history at all.
every applicant, student in a doc program, and faculty constantly reiterate that obtaining an interview at this high of a level (avg doc program stats 100-250 applicants, 15-25 interviews offers, 4-8 applicants accepted) means you are competitive enough and it’s all about fit/ match. If programs had an issue, trust me, they wouldn’t offer an interview invite.
You sound like your a good applicant did you apply to lower tier programs, partial funded programs, or non-funded programs?
side note: I work for a background check due diligence company and no way the program can obtain that information. Zero chance! (Unless it was criminal)
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18 minutes ago, happycola23 said:
Wondering the average chance of getting off of the waitlist. Sitting here twiddling my thumbs......
Varying honestly. Depends on place in the wait list and whether it’s a cumulative waitlist or POI focused.
how a lot of people on here treat it is: if you only have waitlist answers, prep for the worst outcome and move on. If you are lucky enough to get in that’s GREAT but prep for the worst now. For example, I honestly just treat waitlists as rejections. I don’t want to play the waiting game. Faculty won’t care if I decide not to email them biweekly on status. They have a set list and if I am next up they will let me know. It’s mentally easier to have that mindset. Time will go faster and if it happens then it might feel better. Don’t sit around, don’t update the results section daily and deal with sadness if someone got in. April 15 deadline is fast approaching and the decision will be made by then.
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17 hours ago, humanisticPOV said:
I've never heard of either of those programs, but your interest sounds more clinical to me (especially the forensic emphasis). There used to be better distinction between the two routes: "The field of clinical psychology was meant to address serious mental illness, such as any of the disorders that might be found in the DSM. In contrast, counseling psychology sometimes was referred to a field that addressed “normal people with normal problems,” often including vocational counseling." The distinction remains somewhat true but is more fuzzy now. My understanding is that clinical programs will have a heavier emphasis on research than counseling programs, and as far as outcomes, clinical people tend to work in academia and research positions more often, and counseling people are less likely to work with severe forms of mental illness when compared to clinical. I also understand there to be a heavier emphasis on multicultural competence in counseling programs when compared to clinical (though both programs are required incorporate diversity training by the APA). As a final comment, I can think of countless clinical psychologists who are involved in forensic work, but I don't know of any counseling psychologists in that area of the top of my head (though I'm sure they exist). You can read more about the distinctions in this guide: http://mitch.web.unc.edu/files/2017/02/MitchGradSchoolAdvice.pdf (this is where the quote from above came from) and on the APA's division of counseling psychology website https://www.div17.org/
While some of this stuff is somewhat true. The distinction between the two now is basically the cultural competence aspect and severity of disorders. Research production and ability to be in faculty position now is equal between both counseling and clinical psychology.
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13 minutes ago, Musicalowl said:
How important do you feel the distinction is between R1 and R2 schools? I know R1 are typically more prestigious and sometimes have more resources, but if the internship match and EPPP rates are high at an R2 school, will the lack of an R1 be impactful after graduation?
Minimal honestly. R1 or R2 Status represent the entire School, not the program itself
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The best advice I can give is don’t look particularly at schools. You won’t get interviews that way.
i highly suggest focusing on finding faculty in various programs and finding match. Your research fit is VERY Important. You have to refine it and get it to a detailed focus and find faculty that match well are have ket features that you can adapt to your research interest.
you sound new to this and that’s exciting. Please take time figuring out what programs are looking for in a applicant. If you need further help, just let me know. I’m glad to help while I’m waiting to move to my new program (counseling psych PHD)
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University of Kansas-PH.D in Counseling Psychology ?
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14 minutes ago, clinicalpsych.2020 said:
I feel you guys!! ^^ I interviewed at 2 PsyD programs and 1 Clinical PhD program and I decided after some self-reflection to turn down both PsyD offers because interviewing at the PhD program showed me I need to follow my love for research.. The PROBLEM is now I have 0 offers to keep me warm at night and I am a high alternate on the Clinical PhD waitlist. Am I crazy???
NOT AT ALL! If you are motivated go for that PHD it’s worth it!
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2 hours ago, justacigar said:
Yeah, I concur with you all! I recently emailed for an update and although there has been some movement, my POI's turn to admit another student hasn't come around yet. The wait is absolutely killer. The uncertainty is terrible!!
I did see a stat recently that like 50% of admitted students end up coming from on the waitlist...hoping I'll eventually make it into the 50%!
Yeah idk where you saw that stat but idk if that is true. Most high level programs get their first choices and most psyd programs go into waitlist batch of students and so does low tier programs. Just for example, my program offer 5 offers and all first choices took it so quickly that waitlist people got a waitlist email one day and a rejection email a week later.
I wish you the best, waitlist absolutely suck especially the fact that they waitlist multiple people for the same POI.
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7 minutes ago, denovomojo said:
Not sure if anyone has experience with this but I have now been declined from some programs post-interview this recruitment cycle. Barring some type of screw up/issue from interview day, which from the feedback I received is not the case, what are the chances of getting another interview at the same school if you reapply the following year?
I worked out a plan with my current PI where I would split time with another team in order to return with better technical experience in my area of interest (neuroimaging), add another good letter of rec, and have a few more publications. So I'd like to think I would only return a better candidate, but did that ship sail at the programs I interviewed with this cycle?
Personal experience so take it with a grain of salt.
I applied to counseling and clinical programs last year and this. I interviewed with 3 programs last year. Didn’t get in to two and one the POI lost funding to another faculty. During the off season, I obtained a new RA position, obtained a better LOR and had a manuscript published. I was a completely different student and got multiple offers that proved that. However, those same 3 schools did not even interview me despite my improvements.
if I was to do my application over again, I should have not applied again to those programs. Because I interviewed there, my stats and improvements didn’t matter. they didn’t choose me based on fit and prob felt
“no point to interview him again”That’s just my situation.
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On 2/29/2020 at 2:21 PM, secondtimecharm said:
I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but what does it mean if you show up to interview day and you are not interviewing with your POI? I interviewed yesterday at a school and they had me interview with two faculty (another faculty who is taking students and one who isn't). Is this generally a bad sign? I'm confused because the e-mail inviting me to interview day was from my POI, but then I only got a chance to talk with her briefly during lunch time on interview day.
did you ask the POI why?
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40 minutes ago, StormySkye said:
Has anyone heard from University of Memphis post-interview?
I saw on results someone got accepted!
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I agree with everyone that replied. The biggest difference between my cycle last year and this was the RA position I got and was able to publish in a journal. I think that helped get me over the hump and I got offers from multiple fully funded counseling PhD programs in comparison to a shitty masters offer when I was rejected from the PHD last year.
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18 minutes ago, fixology said:
When would you guys say it's appropriate to contact a school post-interview to see if you're on a waitlist (if at all)? If so, would you recommend contacting the DCT, your POI, or both? It's been a little over 2 weeks after a few of the interviews I had and I've seen some offers extended from those programs, but have not been rejected either. Assuming I could be on the waitlist at at least one of those few, but none of the programs have contacted me about it.
From my experience, I noticed a gap of time between acceptances being sent out and waitlist being sent out. I would wait a month and then contact the head of the program (not the POI) for information about waitlist.
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5 minutes ago, Lex_U said:
Hi,
Fairly new to all this! A master's student I work with in my research lab suggested maybe lurking around here would ease my stress. I'm a first time grad-applicant and finding it extremely stressful!!! I applied to 5 PhD Clinical Psych programs but I've only heard back from two (both rejections) and applied to 2 Master's and am currently finishing up my 3rd Master's application. I know there will still be some time before I hear back from my Master's apps as the earliest deadline was the 15th of February, but I'm mainly worried about the lack of response from the PhD programs. All 3 of my remaining applications state that they are all still under review. Should I give up hope? It seems by now most people have heard at least something back and I'm honestly ready to stop stressing over these applications.
if anyone has any advice on what to do or how to handle, please let me know!!
Hey,
so typically (not 100% of the time) if you don’t get an interview invite you should treat it as a rejection from a PhD program. So For the programs you are waiting on, go to the results page on this site and search the school and the program you applied to. If someone notes they got an interview in January for example, you should treat that as you are rejected. Some people on here may reply and give you false hopes but take it from someone that has experience. It’s almost March, so I believe most clinical PhD programs have sent out interview invites already. Double check on the results page
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8 hours ago, CowpokeMT said:
I feel like research opportunity is typically very rare in Master-level counseling programs. CACREP-accredited programs usually only include one basic research course in the curriculum, and it is not expected that you get any further training in research methods or stats solely from the program. It is further important to note that most faculty members in counseling got their degree In Counselor Education, a very different trajectory compared to the field of psychology, and their research may not be relevant to the more common topics in psychology. You are expected to complete your training almost solely in clinical practice, which has very limited value in the admissions process for PhD programs in psychology (according to my personal judgment). Whether the word “clinical” is present in the program name is not important - it’s just a tactic for programs to advertise themselves. Feel free to DM me if you want to discuss more about counseling programs.
Objectively, I disagree with almost everything you said lol ?
But I think you are looking at it from a clinical Psychology Ph.D outlook rather than a counseling psychology outlook like the original writer was requesting insight in.
from my experience, I noticed many applicants in my interviews for counseling psych PHD were from counseling masters and most of the faculty came from a variety of masters level programs, none of which were counseling education (no offense to the writer who mentioned that).
If I was to go back in time and redo a masters, I would focus on counseling psych masters at big universities (U of Missouri, KU, UGA, UofKentucky, etc). These type of programs have funding opportunities, research lab opportunities, and train you to be a masters level clinician. In addition, you have higher chances to interview in the programs Doctoral level program and you could have additional advantage since you might know some of the faculty.
That’s just my perspective. I believe the faculty that wrote on here really gave all the insight needed to pick a program that will help you succeed. Also! Avoid all for profit schools. Don’t get sucked in
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28 minutes ago, andhowdoesthatmakeyoufeel said:
Yeah, I don't see an issue with considering prestige. I think the only problem with it (for me) is that it can be hard to tell how a school falls on that---especially if you're in a small niche sub-field (like me).
O that’s true. But you also have personal prestige. How you view the school and what you think it will provide in professional settings matters
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48 minutes ago, Wierrdo said:
I hate to say it but, prestige was a factor for me. I wanted to go to a school that was known for producing great students and had a reputable name in the area I was trying to be in (both physically and in the discipline). For instance, I see myself opening a practice in NY so I ranked NY schools higher knowing the reputation they have in the area.
Don’t hate to say it lol. Prestige is IMPORTANT. Now I don’t agree that you need to go a school in an area you want to be in professional. New York programs Could be considered lower tier programs in comparison to R1 giant programs. Regardless, I respect the prestige factor as something to look at
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So much detail already givens I’ll give my personal experience with deciding:
I pre rank programs based on research fit, advisor productivity, funding, and area of living.
During interviews I focused on environment, feel from the students, and how the faculty interacted with each other. That helped give a sense of what going on. In addition, attitude of faculty with students and vise versa. This is actually quite important. So most students are very nice and supportive. However in actual interviews and interactions with students and the faculty, student typically show their true personality. I had an bad experience with a student in the interview with my POI belittling my mindset going into a program. I held my ground but it ultimately rubbed me the wrong way.
After receiving offers, I noticed I naturally already made my decision and I just triple check with my wife that she was happy location wise and BOOM! I picked a program!
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That’s fair to do. For me, once I got a high level offer, I took my name off all remaining interviews and considerations just because I thought, I wouldn’t want a POI to consider me and notify another student that he/she is on the wait list.
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Personally, I would just focus on speaking to them and their students at the conference. I always feel awkward emailing people I don’t know and especially if the poi doesn’t answer then I feel like I can’t talk to him or her
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2 minutes ago, teenygreeny said:
Sadly it was bad news! But it was an insightful conversation. Encouraged me to reapply next year if she has an opening.
Seriously!? Give some details. What program would do that. I thought it was guaranteed an offer. I’m surprised the POI had to in the schedule to even call you to reject you. No waitlist either?
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10 minutes ago, clinicalpsych2020 said:
Hi everyone! Do you think it's foolish to accept an offer before receiving an official letter (with funding information)? This school is my top choice, and has always been able to fund their students. I have received another offer from a different school, which is why I'm anxious to accept sooner rather than later (I don't want to be holding onto a spot that someone else would gladly take).
Hi, it is totally fine to accept a offer if you did your research on the previous cohorts funding offers and it’s practically guaranteed (but they won’t say it)
I was in the same situation as you, I got into my top choice and then got accepted to my #2 and #11 choices. I thought about it and since all were full funded would I even consider the other programs if they offered higher stipends. I decided no and made sure to message the other programs I was pulling my application. The caveat for my situation is my top choice is a big Division 1 R1 program and all students I talked to had full funding and no issues with assistantships
I know this is a big conversation on these forums, but my personal opinion is you know more times than not your preferred choice. Is an extra 200 a month in stipend gonna change your mind? If it’s no, then finalize the decision and reject your other offers. I feel this way because our research communities are small and I can make a poor impression on my advisor or the other POIs if I hold my offer for a month or two. Also, I believe faculty talk across programs and so they could know that they both sent offers to the same person. Overall, take some time but try not to wait to April. I know people have outlier experiences but in general don’t hold offers for months.
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4 hours ago, Psychedbeyondrepair said:
Congratulations! Third time’s the charm Seeing your success is certainly helpful. What did you do differently between cycles two and three?
It’s kind of long. If you want to know you can message me
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